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he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a great pope, and himself as small pope, which is also strange because he is obviously a great intellectual. but he knew he didn't have either the energy or, if you will, the pizazz of john paul ii, the media satisfy iy. but what he wad was very genuine. he is a month in love with god, and a very humble one. i noticed on the trip to the u.s., and you see the stadium filled, and john paul would enjoy those as much as an actor enjoys a big crowd, and benedict was a little bit almost embarrassed. but there was something beautiful and endear about that. >> there were missteps and miscues along th
he was not john paul ii. john paul was such an immense figure. is that a fair point mr. moody is making? >> well, i think it is a fair point. i have nothing but the greatest admiration for john, and i think pope benedict knew that. what comes through about pope benedict is the humility in one interview he gave, long book interview, where he mentioned the possibility of resigning but he said i'm convinced there are great popes and small popes, and he was talking about john paul ii as a...
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in april of 2005 when pope john paul ii died, we broadcasted "hardball" from rome. as we closed our last show from there, let's listen. look at these people standing for hours, day and night, through the avenues of rome, packed together as if they had been caught and crushed in an industrial strength trash compacter. there they stood seeking no edge, plotting no photo opportunity, playing none of the games that people do in politics, in business, in so much of life. this is no publicity stunt or initial stock offering or inside deal or anything but the purest, most obvious, most grandly transparent display of individual devotion. voting with your feet. >> thanks four your wise and warm words. thanks for coming on, and e.j. dionne, mr. america and french canadian and all kind of things. >>> dick cheney, from the sublime to the ridiculous. dick cheney can't stand the fact that his side lost the election, dick. that he and his neocons are under assault and in retreat, thank god. he's saying president obama is picking second class people. we'll be right back with the st
in april of 2005 when pope john paul ii died, we broadcasted "hardball" from rome. as we closed our last show from there, let's listen. look at these people standing for hours, day and night, through the avenues of rome, packed together as if they had been caught and crushed in an industrial strength trash compacter. there they stood seeking no edge, plotting no photo opportunity, playing none of the games that people do in politics, in business, in so much of life. this is no...
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we know that john paul greatly embraced young people. it was a joy for many to see this pope go on twitter of all things and actually have a twitter account as incredible as that is. when you think about that he's 85 years old. but if we're to look at the legacy and relates to the next pope, how would you explain that or how do you see that? >> the last two popes that we have had have been intellectuals. they have come from academic backgrounds. they were both also bishops but, you know, they were people very comfortable in an academic scholarly setting. the cardinals may look for someone else. someone who's a manager, someone who's a diplomat. you know, the last conclave they looked around the room and they elected the smartest man in the room and the last two conclaves. in the next conclave, they may be looking for something else. as george mentioned, they may be looking for someone to reform the curia. that's someone who knows something about management. >> father, thank you so much for your time. george, always a pleasure to hear you
we know that john paul greatly embraced young people. it was a joy for many to see this pope go on twitter of all things and actually have a twitter account as incredible as that is. when you think about that he's 85 years old. but if we're to look at the legacy and relates to the next pope, how would you explain that or how do you see that? >> the last two popes that we have had have been intellectuals. they have come from academic backgrounds. they were both also bishops but, you know,...
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he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i guess it's the moment the history, but also the sadness. i mean, this is a very bittersweet moment. >> well, it's -- it is. that's exactly the way to describe it. you know, it's interesting in st. peters square, they had the big jumbotrons out there, and people were gathered around and were actually silent in st. peters square watching what happened, and the last time i heard that kind of silence in st. peters square it was when they announced the death of john paul ii. you never heard a cell phone go off. you never heard anybody have a cell phone conversation, and on the in st. peters square where the he
he became pope after john paul ii died, but he never seemed to enjoy it the way john paul ii did, who was an actor. benedict is a scholar, a theologian, an intellectual, and today you could see the humility that those who know him very well say have always marked this 85-year-old man. >> certainly describing himself as a pilgrim is really extraordinary, and you get the feeling that the crowd, the audiences were responding to him in an emotional way that they hadn't previously. that i...
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pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but right now all of that timing is being worked out. suzanne. >> all right. deb, thank you. i appreciate it. >>> the former navy s.e.a.l. who reportedly fired the shot that killed osama bin laden is said to be furious with the u.s. military. he has no pension or medical insurance, and according to an investigative piece in esquire magazine called the man who shot and killed osama bin laden, the shooter who is not named, he told a friend, this is a quote here, he says if i get killed on this next deployment. i know my family will be taken care of. but if i come back and retire, i won't hav
pope john paul ii said i need you with me. of course he did. he listened to john paul. so he's been well aware of his own fragility of his health for a while. >> reporter: and you know, the timing is also rather surprising. it is two days before ash wednesday, and the start of lent, a very holy day for catholics. the cardinal said in facts he's sure people around him knew that this was going to happen. and put a transition team in place. the cardinal says a conclave will take a month. but...
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he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new developments in the search for a rogue california cop accused of killing outside a wave >>> a 14-year-old is being charged as an adult in the murder of his seven-month-old sister. police say baby larissa was left from the care of her brother jonathan a aguilera. the teenager admitted covering her nose and her mouth in order to stop her from crying. he is due in court for a bond hearing this afternoon. >>> a $11 million reward is now being offered for help to capture a former los angeles police officer wanted for murder. christopher dorner is accused of killing three people to avenge
he was 5 years old, older now than when his predecessor pope john paul passed away. that is to be taken into consideration. some of the are cardinals here in the united states are reacting. we heard from cardinal timothy dolan in new york, he was elevated to that office by pope benedict. let's hear what he had to say. >> i would presume his esteem for the office as the successor of st. peter and the chief pastor of the (audio difficulty) still to come when 9news continues we will have new...
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will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy and the applause by, again, members of his household and he is giving them his blessing and you see on his right hand, the fisherman's ring, it is cast for each and every pope, and when they cease to be pope, as he will at 2:00 this afternoon eastern time, and you see that traditional kissing of the ring, it will be taken and a silver hammer will be taken to it and it will be destroyed because that is also the papal seal. so this extraordinary moment in history, using the former joseph ratzinger who will be within hours be pope emeritus, getting into the car for this short ride to the helipad leaving the gro
will he be on the order of a john the xxiii, will it be a john paul ii who knew how to deal geo politically with the modern world in terms of poland and the communist world at the same time dealing with the internal problems of the church. and yet, we're also seeing ancient tradition here. as well as an ancient pope who was unable to perform as he had hoped. >> we see that final wave, it seems, from pope benedict and those who have been so close to him over the eight years of his papacy...
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nothing compared to the figures of the people we saw for the funeral of john paul back in 2005. that was a funeral and this is a different time in the church. the pope is driving through st. peter's square to wave to the faithful. he will have another meeting with cardinals in the morning. he will be speaking to his -- to the people that will select a successor. this is the last time that the pope will have such direct contact with the people. he is driving around among the crowd. a little earlier, the last speech that he will make in front of the people. many issues, he talked about truth. that is interesting when we consider all the things that have been coming out of the vatican and how many people suspect the pope is standing down because he is not strong enough to get a handle all the things happening within the vatican. let's speak to our resident vatican experts. you're listening to that speech about half an hour ago. what did you think were the most notable passages? >> it is importance -- it is important the weight of the papacy. >> there was one bed where he mentioned
nothing compared to the figures of the people we saw for the funeral of john paul back in 2005. that was a funeral and this is a different time in the church. the pope is driving through st. peter's square to wave to the faithful. he will have another meeting with cardinals in the morning. he will be speaking to his -- to the people that will select a successor. this is the last time that the pope will have such direct contact with the people. he is driving around among the crowd. a little...
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john paul said no, i need you here. pope john paul ii died and then he became pope. benedict is a far shyer man, he's a gentle man, he's far more than intellectual. he never sucked in the oxygen of the crowd. he at times, ren sant. since he announced his abdication, i have been struck by how much he relieved he looks. he actually ad lib when he got up there. when i looked at his prepared text. heed a lib an aline, people say that the church is declining but i see the church as alive, because that crowd was filled with enthusiasm and energy yesterday. you know, you have seen when he met with some priests here in rome about a week ago, he was supposed to deliver a speech about the second vatican -- vatican ii, he was there at the time, that happened 50 years ago. he said no, i can't do that because of my advanced age. 85 has become his excuse to be more casual if you will and he said, no, i'll sit here and chat with you. he talked with 46 minutes without a note about what went on 50 years ago. so, clearly, his mind and those who know him and those who read his writings
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this job before he became pope he was essentially regarded as the john paul the seconds papal bulldog he was the defender of the doctrine of fair for faith and not role he is accused of covering up sexual abuse scandals all around the world but also here in germany in fact in recent times there's been further controversy over this as the church here in germany canceled an investigation into child abuses that range but the nineteen forty since that investigation apparently according to the man who was conducting it because they weren't happy with what would be made public so there's certainly been controversy and it will be something that's picked over for a long time to come after benedict steps down at the end of this month and barbara doris the child abuse campaign as as they are going pope has failed to solve the core problems within the catholic church. we believe that he uttered of words he showed there was filth in the priesthood he apologized to the victims but he took no action he didn't discipline a single church official for hiding enabling children to predators or you know
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whether it's this one, john paul ii or the next pope not everything he says is infallible. there is a hierarchy of truth. when it comes to more what is more authoritative and less authoritative and not everything is weighed equally. >> cenk: thank you for not giving me a yes or no. powerful stories to tell, and we appreciate hearing from both of you. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> cenk: now when we come back, well we got good news on military benefits. it turns out same-sex couples will be getting some. is it too late for some couples? and how much of those benefits will they actually be receiving. we'll tell you a story that is powerful. >> she would not be able to coordinate because of the difference of marriage act. she would be recognized as a friend. cheap is good. and sushi, good. but cheap sushi, not so good. it's like that super-low rate on not enough car insurance. pretty sketchy. ♪ ♪ and then there are the good decisions. like esurance. their coverage counselor tool helps you choose the right coverage for you at a great price. [ stomach growls ] without feeling quea
whether it's this one, john paul ii or the next pope not everything he says is infallible. there is a hierarchy of truth. when it comes to more what is more authoritative and less authoritative and not everything is weighed equally. >> cenk: thank you for not giving me a yes or no. powerful stories to tell, and we appreciate hearing from both of you. >> thanks. >> thanks. >> cenk: now when we come back, well we got good news on military benefits. it turns out same-sex...
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martha: at that time obviously the legacy of sphoap john paul was so -- the legacy of pope john paul was so huge. some those would be a transitional pope before the next person was ready to take over. we have a lot to go over with all of this in the course of the next couple hours. in the meantime we want to bring you this breaking news and fill you in on this situation unfolding in a courthouse in wilmington, delaware where we just heard shots have been fired. police are confirming there are several injuries in this case. the building is on lockdown. some people are still inside that building. we have a crew en route there. we'll bring you the latest information as soon as it becomes available. another day, another shooting story. the los angeles police department is offering a $1 million reward for information that would lead to the capture of a former police officer. christopher dorner accused of murdering three people in a rampage last week and included in those deaths is a police officer. here is video that shows dorner during this police training. we have not seen much of this
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that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on behind the scenes at the white house. right away former white house communications director, speechwriter, don bair joining us next. this is $100,000. we asked total strangers to watch it for us. thank you so much. i appreciate it. i'll be right back. they didn't take a dime. how much in fees does your bank take to watch your money? if your bank takes more money than a stranger, you need an ally. ally bank. your money needs an ally. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insuranc
that was the theme of john paul ii. it's the theme of benedict xvi, and it's going to be a very interesting ride into the rest of the 21st century. >> thank you for your wisdom, and john garvey, thank you for joining us today. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> and looking ahead to the next 24 hours, the president planning to pivot back to the economy in tomorrow night's state of the yoon. we'll get a preview from the man who knows exactly what's going on...
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paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of his life. benedict xvi, while i think certainly ahe certainly admiring john paul, thinks that's not the path that every pope takes. some of the difficulties the vatican faced in recent years. internal disarray relating to the leaked crisis. the damage imposed upon the public image of the church by the sex abuse scandals and so on, it's clear that that has taken a toll on benedict xvi, he has struggled with that personally and it may well be that the people who have seen the cumulative effect of that, that the church needs a new lease on life and a fresh
paul. >> pope john paul ii. >> yes, of course. the long twilight of john paul, his struggle with age and parkinson's disease, lingering effect of the 1981 assassination attempt are all played out in full public view, and john paul decided to use his illness and decline in a way as a teaching moment, that -- to show the world you can still be of value, still play an important role while being ill, suffering, and so on. that was john paul's particular way of handling the twilight of...
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one, john paul ii was made pope at a very young age relatively speaking. and pope benedict, 85, already past the normal retirement age of a priest being elected at 78 years old. we're going to have lots of time to talk about who will be the next pope and what he's going to look like, where he's going to be coming from, what his age will be. but this is a time that is certainly an unforgettable moment in the history of the church. >>brian: it's hard to imagine a cardinal with more charisma and presence than the one we have here, cardinal dolan. do you think he's a legitimate contender? >> you know, he would respond, would my mother think so? he is such a likable, loving, good, holy man. i don't really know. but he'll be there putting his vote in to the next pope. >>steve: we just got a statement. this is what the pope said earlier today in latin. it's been translated. after having repeatedly examined my conscience before god, i have come to the certainty that my strengths due to an advantage are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the petrine minist
one, john paul ii was made pope at a very young age relatively speaking. and pope benedict, 85, already past the normal retirement age of a priest being elected at 78 years old. we're going to have lots of time to talk about who will be the next pope and what he's going to look like, where he's going to be coming from, what his age will be. but this is a time that is certainly an unforgettable moment in the history of the church. >>brian: it's hard to imagine a cardinal with more charisma...
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i want to say thank you, pope john paul ii . the reason why, as i would say thanks to your predecessor pope john paul ii. this is it a evangelical and not a catholic who appreciates the firm convictions of the catholic church and popes who decipeded that the purpose of the church is not a mere thermometer reflecting the culture of whatever the world happens to believe in the given moment, but believes that the church is to be the thermostat that can read the culture that is it prevalent in the world, but whose purpose is to adjust the temperature of the culture to what it ought to be . for that, i say thank you for faithful service to the bible, and to the traditions much gold's people. a good thing. well, scientist say that the meteor that streak would across the sky in russia on morning exploded with a force equivulent . atomic here's what the leader of russia said. those are not metorites falling, it is the americans trying out a new weapon. really? i think he must think that we have a great big bubble gum machine that we wil
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he took over after the death of pope john paul ii. will turn 86 in april, so he is getting a little older. we expect a news conference will vatican in just a moments. we are waiting for more of information. they are setting the stage now conference to elect a pope before the end of march. whens just about the time world willround the easter.rating we do hope to get more information in a couple minutes breaking news story from rome.as in back to you. thank you so much. has made his mark, into social media with twitter accounts. he personally tweeted over the few months. a lot of questions with not many answers yet, but we hope to hear from the vatican. everything that's being latin and isin being translated. we will share it with you when it.et >> there's no clear successor. when pope benedict was installed pope, he was a leading contender. as of now, they don't know who be.next one will >> the vatican pledges they will work very quickly to make sure elected.a successor not surprisingly, las vegas and taking gambling the successor who
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john paul ii was the pope of de television and the traveling pope. pope benedict xvi has been called the pope of the internet. the pope of the rich in word. his teachings are so simple yet profound. i would encourage people just to read what he has written himself. he has a marvelous series on jesus of nazareth three books in a 3 part series. just very simple and yet very profound. what do congress look for? i asked that of cardinal dolan yesterday. his response was weatherman knee things are kneaded, many, many things, one of the first priorities of the cardinal he believes will be to find somebody who can give the new impetus to the church and strength and vigor and preaching president gospel of jesus with happiness and with conviction. and conviction not only of his own but being able to give conventioning reasons -- convincing reasons to the world no doubt the papacy is a different office or role than it was in the past because of communication. to have a pope who can communicate with that conviction to a world i believe is starving for real reas
john paul ii was the pope of de television and the traveling pope. pope benedict xvi has been called the pope of the internet. the pope of the rich in word. his teachings are so simple yet profound. i would encourage people just to read what he has written himself. he has a marvelous series on jesus of nazareth three books in a 3 part series. just very simple and yet very profound. what do congress look for? i asked that of cardinal dolan yesterday. his response was weatherman knee things are...
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elected in 2005, he succeeded john paul ii. there have been recent concerns about his health and he's needed help walking, but a vatican spokesperson insists he's not facing anything grave. the cardinals will elect his replacement and hope that can happen by holy week. >> they're looking for someone to preserve the court teachings of the church and be a faith in the church. >> reporter: holy watchers say there doesn't appear to be a front runner. many wonder if the time has come for a non-european leader. >> and more reaction now. an event so rare, it hasn't happened in 600 years. there is shock and appreciation for his bold move. tom fitzgerald gathered reaction from cardinals to parishioners. safe to say no one saw this coming. >> reporter: you're right. in fact, the cardinal told reporters here in washington that he recently visited the pope in rome and that the holy water gave no hint what -- father gave no hint what he was thinking about. after seven years, pope benedict xvi's relatively brief papacy, the end of which is b
elected in 2005, he succeeded john paul ii. there have been recent concerns about his health and he's needed help walking, but a vatican spokesperson insists he's not facing anything grave. the cardinals will elect his replacement and hope that can happen by holy week. >> they're looking for someone to preserve the court teachings of the church and be a faith in the church. >> reporter: holy watchers say there doesn't appear to be a front runner. many wonder if the time has come for...
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john paul the ii was the man of the camera, the man of the public. pope benedict and his own personality, while accepting the responsibility is more at ease in quiet and peace. he'll continue to write. he told the cardinals today this was fascinating, keep writing to me, i will have communication with you. but notice it's by mail. he's not going to be making public statements. a real life changer and for me personally it's a call never to want power for your own sake or authority but rather to serve. that's what we got into this for in the first place. bill: you mentioned the comparison to his predecessor and you always got the impression that pope john paul ii loved the job, and loved to let people know that he loved the job. you really go never really got that from pope benedict the xvi. we just want to drop in here and see if we can pick up anything inside the apostolic palace at the vat kin. vavat tavatican. >> sure. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] bill: even the headline itself is still stunning. we are watching a pope retire. martha
john paul the ii was the man of the camera, the man of the public. pope benedict and his own personality, while accepting the responsibility is more at ease in quiet and peace. he'll continue to write. he told the cardinals today this was fascinating, keep writing to me, i will have communication with you. but notice it's by mail. he's not going to be making public statements. a real life changer and for me personally it's a call never to want power for your own sake or authority but rather to...
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he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith is a man of conscious. if you read the statement that he made today at the consistery he said he prayed over this and he had come to the view that he could no longer give the church the service it required and tlf as may 28th, at 8:00 p.m., the seat is to be vacated and that means that the college of cardinals should proceed to elect a new pope. as claudio said a moment ago, it is a surprise as to timing but not a surprise to fact. benedict xvith on several occasions and most recently in the book "light of the world" indicated if he ever came to the conscientious view that he couldn't give the church
he did offer hints that he would maybe not go the same way and perhaps after watching pope john paul ii deteriorate at the end that he would not do the same thing. >> well, chuck, let's begin with john paul ii. i think that john paul ii at the end of his life gave a great christian witness, invited people to experience what the church means by the pascal mystery of the life and death of christ and invited people into his own suffering that ennobled all suffering. pope benedict the xvith...
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in terms of pope most of the men that will vote for this pope have been selected by pope john paul ii or pope benedict xvi. it's not a real investment in our glory social justice in this church. i don't like to discount the holy spirit. >> can i ask you this question. if there are frustrations you have with the doctrine of the church, why do you stay in it? i'm always sort of interested in catholic reformers, people called to action a grouch folks trying to change the church direction from within it. the church is what is it. there's lots of -- you can be a unitarian. >> i went to yale divinity school with a ton of catholic students and faculty. that gave me time and years to figure out what i loved about the church. what hurts me about more traditional catholics that claim to love the church they have this view of catholicism that says it comes down what you believe about sexual morality where the beauty of this is is a kextra -- sacramental theology. this is what makes the church beautiful. that catholic imagination that we have. that really sue knick about the tradition. >> if you
in terms of pope most of the men that will vote for this pope have been selected by pope john paul ii or pope benedict xvi. it's not a real investment in our glory social justice in this church. i don't like to discount the holy spirit. >> can i ask you this question. if there are frustrations you have with the doctrine of the church, why do you stay in it? i'm always sort of interested in catholic reformers, people called to action a grouch folks trying to change the church direction...
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ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that we are living through a day of enormous shock here in rome. not so much the pope benedict xvi chose to resign. he signaled two years ago that he would be open to doing that, but the fact that we had absolutely no indication this was coming today. precisely because of that, therefore, there are some enormous unanswered questions about how all of this is going to play out. i suppose the biggest questions would be, "a," what will the role of a retired pope be? will he continue to play any kind of public role? will he continue to exercise any influence on the future direction
ratzinger, was very keenly aware of what happened to pope john paul ii. he talked to people about how his demise seemed somewhat of a dishonorable end to his papacy. he had in his mind already what type of glorious exit, to use the phrase, he may want in store for him. let's get some perspective as to what is coming out of the vatican as to why this is happening, what it means. john allen, our senior vatican analyst, joins us now. what do we know, john? >> reporter: what we know is that...
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john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen today when the pope meets with the cardinals. can you walk us through that? >> sure. >> yesterday in st. peter's square there were upwards of 50,000 people or more giving that public witness. this will be the most with his closest collaborators over the years. the pope's personal collaborators are the bishops throughout the world and in a particular way it's the cardinals standing at the heart of those, many of the cardinals of the people who workday to day in the vatican who work with the pope on a regular basis. who see him week in, week out. the
john paul ii took wonderful walks here. benedict xvi i'm told is a much, much more private man, expected to spend a long time in his rooms here. he'll be here for about two months while they restore his home at the vatican where he will eventually spend the rest of his life. guys? >> all right, becky anderson, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you. >>> here to help us walk through today is monsignor rick hi hillgartner. i wanted to walk through what is going to happen...
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one of the things we saw extraordinarily in the final days of pope john paul and for the election of this pope, was the number of people who came to st. peter's square who said i'm atheist, i'min agnostic. i'm drawn by the history. i'm drawn by the tradition that there is a person in the world when is supposed to stand for the good things, for the power of this role. so there we see him in the popemobile making what, as we heard from ann thompson, will be two rounds. i know you've seen this before, father barron. it is a unique experience. >> it is that indeed. i always think of pope from popeye. he's the father. and you're right. i think it goes beyond the catholic church. you're looking at the most important figure in the world from a symbolic standpoint. >> george, give me your thoughts as you watch the pope make his final round in his popemobile. >> chris, i'm actually thinking about our time together here in rome eight years ago. i believe it was you who asked me how i felt seeing joseph ratzinger come out on the logia of st. peter's, who i had known at that point for some 17 ye
one of the things we saw extraordinarily in the final days of pope john paul and for the election of this pope, was the number of people who came to st. peter's square who said i'm atheist, i'min agnostic. i'm drawn by the history. i'm drawn by the tradition that there is a person in the world when is supposed to stand for the good things, for the power of this role. so there we see him in the popemobile making what, as we heard from ann thompson, will be two rounds. i know you've seen this...
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6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from fulfilling his ministry, we have learned that the late pope's the person in charge of his affairs. incredibly unusualnusual. right to dan lothian at the white house. did they have a close relationship. a typical relationship that you would have between a pope and world leader? >> i think it can be described as a respectful relationship, and the two have met, on one time face to face as far as we're aware, and back in 2009, overseas to agana and moscow, met face to face for 25 minutes, talked about billions of dollars in aid to developing countries and much of their discussion, food aid and discussion centere
6:00 was in not very good shape at all, john paul -- john paul xxiii, and pius, a number of them ended their reigns in ill health. maybe u.s. a better service to the church, one feels one can no longer fulfill his duties as benedict xvi said. perhaps it's better for the church to step down voluntarily. rather than to wait until death. >> back in 1989 and 1994, john paul ii had prepared we know to resign, if, in fact, he had some sort of condition or disease that would keep him from...